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I am glad to see you engaging with this subject from your perspective. It will benefit from your formal methods background.

It is surprising to me that you seem to consider consciousness to be one of the lower hanging fruits. But in looking at the arguments here, I actually don’t think you accomplished what you set out to do.

Your CPU analogies highlight the gap between human consciousness and machine consciousness, rather than bridge a connection. We can completely specify the physical and functional details of CPUs, software interpreters, and hardware interpreters, but nothing there entails a subjective experience. So even if we had a complete physical and functional understanding of the brain, your analogy does not dissolve the concept of consciousness.

It seems your intent is to first tackle the question of machine consciousness by explaining away the concept of human consciousness. If there’s no human consciousness in any robust sense, beyond neuron patterns, then there’s no machine consciousness to worry about either. This sort of hardcore eliminativism (Dennett, Churchland) requires substantially more argument than you provide here.

In particular, it does not address why there is any subjective “what it is like” to model other agent minds, which seems to be the brain circuitry that you reduce consciousness to. If consciousness just reduces to the modeling of other agent minds, then LLMs are already conscious. If this were true, it would have tremendously important implications. It would be a moral emergency. Do you intend to imply here that LLMs are already conscious? If so, you should state it and provide more defense, I think. If not, then I think you need to change your analysis of what consciousness reduces to.

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Libet discovered that motor neurons of his subjects began to fire 350 ms before they consciously pressed a button. 86 billion neurons act intelligently, ahead of conscious awareness. They compose a speech before a person consciously speaks. The AnkG (Ankyrin-G) protein explains the role of mind and consciousness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHp9rViIdSo

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